gorgias   

Pol. What thing?

Soc. I should say a sort of experience.

Pol. Does rhetoric seem to you to be an experience?

Soc. That is my view, but you may be of another mind.

Pol. An experience in what?

Soc. An experience in producing a sort of delight and gratification.

Pol. And if able to gratify others, must not rhetoric be a fine

thing?

Soc. What are you saying, Polus? Why do you ask me whether

rhetoric is a fine thing or not, when I have not as yet told you

what rhetoric is?

Pol. Did I not hear you say that rhetoric was a sort of experience?

Soc. Will you, who are so desirous to gratify others, afford a

slight gratification to me?

Pol. I will.

Soc. Will you ask me, what sort of an art is cookery?

Pol. What sort of an art is cookery?

Soc. Not an art at all, Polus.

Pol. What then?

Soc. I should say an experience.

Pol. In what? I wish that you would explain to me.

Soc. An experience in producing a sort of delight and gratification,

Polus.

Pol. Then are cookery and rhetoric the same?

Soc. No, they are only different parts of the same profession.

Pol. Of what profession?

Soc. I am afraid that the truth may seem discourteous; and I

hesitate to answer, lest Gorgias should imagine that I am making fun

of his own profession. For whether or no this is that art of

rhetoric which Gorgias practises I really cannot tell:-from what he

was just now saying, nothing appeared of what he thought of his art,

but the rhetoric which I mean is a part of a not very creditable