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what class it is to be assigned?

Pro. Beyond a doubt.

Soc. This is evidently comprehended in the third or mixed class;

which is not composed of any two particular ingredients, but of all

the elements of infinity, bound down by the finite, and may

therefore be truly said to comprehend the conqueror life.

Pro. Most true.

Soc. And what shall we say, Philebus, of your life which is all

sweetness; and in which of the aforesaid classes is that to be placed?

Perhaps you will allow me to ask you a question before you answer?

Phi. Let me hear.

Soc. Have pleasure and pain a limit, or do they belong to the

class which admits of more and less?

Phi. They belong to the class which admits of more, Socrates; for

pleasure would not be perfectly good if she were not infinite in

quantity and degree.

Soc. Nor would pain, Philebus, be perfectly evil. And therefore

the infinite cannot be that element which imparts to pleasure some

degree of good. But now-admitting, if you like, that pleasure is of

the nature of the infinite-in which of the aforesaid classes, O

Protarchus and Philebus, can we without irreverence place wisdom and

knowledge and mind? And let us be careful, for I think that the danger

will be very serious if we err on this point.

Phi. You magnify, Socrates, the importance of your favourite god.

Soc. And you, my friend, are also magnifying your favourite goddess;

but still I must beg you to answer the question.

Pro. Socrates is quite right, Philebus, and we must submit to him.

Phi. And did not you, Protarchus, propose to answer in my place?

Pro. Certainly I did; but I am now in a great strait, and I must

entreat you, Socrates, to be our spokesman, and then we shall not

say anything wrong or disrespectful of your favourite.

Soc. I must obey you, Protarchus; nor is the task which you impose a